Tips for First Laser Gig!?!?

I just got offered to run a club’s laser for the 3 nights of Miami Music Week! It’s only one laser, and I’m waiting to find out what the brand, wattage, and kkps are (and make sure the laser and location have a variance).

Aside from making sure I have the safety zone figured out, do you have any suggestions for preparing? Should I make a deck of only certain clips I’ll be using? Add way more clips to the red zone? Something I should make sure of so the MIDI pickup is good (I’m on a Mac)? Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated!!!

I’ll definitely be bringing my mac with liberation, 2 helios for just in case, and plenty of ILDA cord…

Regarding hardware; check what laser they have as soon as possible, higher-end lasers often do not have ILDA (in), just built in FB4/Ethernet connections which won’t work with Liberation!!

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Thank you for the heads up! It’s a Lightspace Venus 22w which I just verified has ILDA. There may be a day I have to learn Pangolin… But today is not that day! Thanks @mathijslaser

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Any deck advice @mathijslaser , @seb , @Eyes2theSkies , @mrfloppy88 , or anyone else??

A more specific question- With a single 22W laser in a club setting (shouldn’t have to project from too far away), would you (anyone w/ real experience) select multiple clips to play at a single time and utilize zones, or would you create new clips with multiple things going on (full output desired)? Might be too late for the latter but still curious on how a pro would handle the sitch with only 1 laser available to use.

More info for my situation - I have a pro LD handling the LED’s that’ll be next to me, and each show is going to run between 12-16 hours. So I’ll try to keep the lasers to epic moments and not blow the load the whole show… But with the show going that long w/ 10+ DJ’s each night, how the hell am i supposed to eliminate clips to create a shorter deck? Just go with the full deck?? Any advice is really appreciated!

Hi Kevin,

That sounds like a great gig - and a pretty intense one as well!

A few thoughts based on what you’ve said:

1. Keep your deck relatively tight

Even though it’s a long night, I wouldn’t go in with a massive deck. In practice, that can make it harder to navigate and slows you down when you’re trying to respond to the music.

Instead, I’d go with a smaller set of solid clips that you know work well.

Then use the FX system (colour, flash, movement, etc.) to get variation out of them. You can get a huge amount of mileage that way without needing loads of different clips. Use the parameter knob on the colour effects to tune your content to be the same/complementary to the lighting colour scheme.

2. Keep it simple with one laser

With a single laser, I’d avoid stacking lots of clips together. It can get messy quickly and you lose clarity.

You’ll generally get better results running one strong look at a time, and then shaping it with FX.

3. Stay in time with the music (this makes a huge difference)

This is honestly one of the biggest things that separates something that looks “ok” from something that feels really tight.

If you can, practise using tap tempo at home so you’re comfortable locking things in quickly. Also make use of nudge + and nudge - to shift it back in time if it slips. Play with the tempo multiplier to freeze time or slow it down in the break downs.

And if there’s any way to get a proper clock source from the DJ (for example via Ableton Link or similar), that’s even better - it takes a lot of the guesswork out.

4. Think in energy levels

Try to have a mix of:

  • low / atmospheric
  • mid energy
  • high / peak

That’ll help you follow the flow of the DJs without everything feeling the same all night.

5. Pace yourself

12–16 hours is a long one. You don’t need lasers going full intensity constantly - it’s much more effective if you bring them in and out and save the bigger looks for key moments.

6. Quick practical stuff

  • Definitely get in early and check your safety zones and brightness in the actual space
  • Keep an eye out for mirror balls, cameras and projectors installed at the venue.
  • Good call bringing backup controllers and cables, you want full redundancy for any mission critical equipment.

Overall I’d say: keep it clean, keep it flexible, keep it in time and don’t overcomplicate it.

Hope that helps - and good luck with it!

Seb

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@seb Thank you so much for responding with all the thought! Every bit of advice either helped me prepare, or I wound up finding that how I was performing was in line with the advice you had given.

I just got home after 16 straight hours of B2B DJing, where I controlled the laser in the main tent. I actually got to do lasers for a 3-hour Seth Troxler set last night, which was extra special. Saturday night, I controlled for 8 hours. I thought I’d recap my experience and what I learned for others who get thrown into the fire with an opportunity, and it’s sink or swim.

First of all- As @seb mentioned, the zoning is extremely important, and in most cases, completely different than what any hobbiest has practiced before. My zone was approximately 20 feet wide, but the height of the zone was limited to 18-24 inches on the sides and about 12 inches in the middle (because of the disco ball). Here’s a photo of what I was working with for reference. I’m bringing this up because most of the cool clips shared or provided in Liberation couldn’t be used. Something that I had to keep in mind is that the crowd is not looking at the wall being projected onto. What matters is the overhead beam experience you’re providing for the audience.

Here’s the output zone I was working with…

I should have started out by saying that on my first night, I had to use BEYOND because I did not get there in time to map the zone on Liberation without people in the room. After having used Liberation so much, the main thing I can say about BEYOND is that they are BEYOND due for a complete overhaul of their software. I really came to appreciate the thought Seb put into making Liberation. The LD had never heard of it and within 30 seconds of him watching me prepare, he said “omg this looks so much easier to use than BEYOND”. The only feature I appreciated on BEYOND was the easy-access “Animation Speed” bar… However, I quickly learned to use the tempo dial and tap on Liberation.

This was my first time truly utilizing the APC MK2 and hardly touching the laptop. I was amazed at how quickly my muscle memory came together, knowing exactly which knob, slider, or button did what, without having to look at my labels, let alone the controller.

So with that zone type, you’re really looking at a lot of horizontal line/dotted clips at varying speeds.

Also, doing lasers for a legit show, I was limited to the colors the DJs & LD liked, meaning I had to use the preset colors (below the effects and above the timeline) for the entire show. I used red the most, then blue, then purple, then cyan. So the point is the fun colors and color transformations on many of the clips couldn’t be utilized.

Seb’s advice on having the mix of energy levels was spot on. I also finally used the red zone like it was created for… Especially for pew-pew-pew sound effects/samples that the DJ would play.

I didn’t mess with the tempo multiplier much; I mainly used the tempo knob to get the movement to where I wanted it, if using the tap button alone a few times didn’t suffice. I found the nudge to be too small a change, but I can see how it could be helpful if you’re just a tiny bit off. Again- Seb’s advice on having the music tempo synced correctly made so much of a difference!

The effects I used the most were:

  1. The triangle inside a triangle (small to large), particularly for making dots and lines extend horizontally to be in sync with the tempo, which was pretty sick.
  2. The randomizer - to keep up with the progression of the artists
  3. The strobe
  4. The sine wave

Being in sync with the LD controlling movers is what it all came down to in the long run. The first couple of hours, he would tell me when to fade in, what color, and when to fade out or fast blackout. It’s the most amazing feeling when you and the LD change to the same color at the exact same time without communicating. Also being so in sync, whether we were both pushing our respective lights to the max, or knowing when I should phase out so he can take it, or vice versa, without saying anything… You kinda need to read each other’s minds (which is easier than it sounds if you both enjoy the music and have seen so many shows that you can both anticipate what the DJ will do next).

I bought the Amazon.com: CME WIDI Thru6 BT - 2-in-6-out MIDI Thru/Split with 5-pin DIN and Bluetooth - future-proof technology, high-speed transfer of all data, extreme accuracy for all devices : Musical Instruments to get a direct feed without running too many cables across the room, but it didn’t come with any 5-pin cords, and the sound production dude didn’t have any… So I unfortunately had to use my MacBook mic for audio input and lowered the volume to almost 0 so it could pick up as many changes as possible. Otherwise, it’d just be maxed out the entire time. Debating whether I’ll keep or return this item. If anyone has used it and would share an opinion, I’d appreciate it.

Something that would be helpful for users or @Seb to share are “mirrored” clips!!! While I hated BEYOND’s platform in general, the software’s user had a good collection of mirrored clips, which is really useful for a thin horizontal zone.

I have to wait for my friend to send me pictures and video of me in action, but here are a few I took (and the flyer to the gig I did):

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Nice…

but what do you mean by : ”to share are “mirrored” clips!!!” ?

Did you mean this buttons for mirroring ?

maybe this buttons are what you needed .

Robert

Ive never intentionally hit those buttons but have seen them lit up, usually the X…. Im firing up my gear now to see if thats the solution im hoping for! Thanks @Robert_Koren !

Hi Kevin,

Oh wow, those flip X/Y (mirror) buttons are really fundamental - you shouldn’t need to manually redesign clips just to flip them.

I’d really recommend re-watching the quick start and deep dive all the way through - there are a lot of core features like this that’ll make things much easier:

Also in the user guide quick start :

And more information here :

And if I haven’t made the zone flip x/y system clear enough, let me know so I can make it easier in the future.

Seb

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Good call! Watching your videos now will be 100x better than the 5 times I rewatched all your videos the first few weeks, not understanding fundamentals

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Hey @Seb ,

Thank you so much for taking the time to give me some floaties before I got pushed into the pool! Your thoughtful response made any anxiety that I had go away :slight_smile:

Here are a few short videos taken by friends, fans, and the festival.

Posted by the festival on IG: https://www.instagram.com/un_mute/p/DWmGFy3Fevh/?img_index=5

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