Has anyone figured a way to manually fade between two clips? Like having the manual fade on a video switcher or a L mix/R mix fader on a DJ mixer, so I can fade in a new clip on top of the currently playing one and then fade out the old one.
If not, can we add this request to the features request list?
Thanks!
You could put clips in 2 different groups and use the group fade times. Limitation here is the 2s in and out time.
You can bake in long a long fade in/out to brightness with a one shot triangle oscillator ( play with the clamp to taste). If you want a one-way fade, use saw wave.
Alternatively, add a midi device to each clip and play with the fade out time
Last but not least, create an fader effect with the parameter on brightness. You might be able to setup this up as a separate brightness fader for each clip. Haven’t tried this yet.
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Make 2 groups. Use the color effect - select fix brightness only.
In effect settings, apply to appropriate group.
Bam! Manual fades. Awesome idea !!! Thanks!!!
As @Eyes2theSkies says, if it’s always the same cross fade time you can either use the group fade in/out times, or specify fade in/out times for specific clips.
Note that in the newest version fade in/out times are now independent from the tempo system and are set in seconds as opposed to bars (and now a maximum of 4 seconds). This is a safety feature as previously, clips wouldn’t fade out if the clock wasn’t running and be left stuck on!
The effect faders is a fun workaround, nice work @Eyes2theSkies!
@Enablers.inc does this give you the functionality you need? If not how would you see a system like this working? Currently the APC40 A-B slider is used for the tempo multiplier system. I must admit I can’t think of an A/B system that isn’t fiddly / complicated but I’ll mull it over.
Seb
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Update: I think the better way to add custom fade in a fade out time to a clip is with the custom oscillator. In its default state, repeat 1nce, it is basically an ADSR envelope that’s easier and cleaner to program in & out times than the triangle oscillator.
That’s cool but I think that I think changing the clip’s fade in and out times on the clip settings is a better option. You can’t currently do a fade out when the clip is stopped with the custom oscillator (yet 
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Thank you for all the ideas, this is fantastic!
This all originated because I was teching a show & got to talking with the laser operator they hired, I showed him Liberation, and one of the first questions he asked is “how can I live fade between two clips” because a lot of his workflow is based around that. I didn’t have an answer and it got me thinking.
The goal, or how I would imagine it, is similar to a video switcher where I have multiple feeds cued up to two main outputs and I’m fading back and forth between those two main outputs. So you would have a cue-slot A and cue-slot B, and I’m sending clips to either one as I decide to, and I have a separate fader/dimmer control for each cue-slot.
I think the best way based on the comments so far would be to assign a brightness parameter and use two effects slots, one tied to group 1 and one tied to group 2. Then I can bring in/out each group manually.
That’s probably the simplest way to implement, then of course I’m losing two effects slots, which highlights the desire for more effects slots…
Alternately maybe there’s something with brightness and zones…maybe there’s two separate master brightness faders, and there are zone groups, and I can apply each zone to a specific master. So I would set up two sets of zones on top of each other, and I have copies of all the clips I would want to fade back and forth with, one set each tied to zone group A and zone group B…so I can have a clip running in zone group A with master fader A up, cue up a clip in zone group B (which is just over the top of zone group A) and bring that in manually with master fader B, then take out master fader A and move to next clip…
although that sounds like a lot of duplicated work in some ways…I think the first way, just basically having a brightness effect fader for each group, is probably the simplest implementation, as long as adding a bigger effect bank isn’t a hard no.
The use case for this in particular is like…ethereal trippy music, like a Gone Gone Beyond/Porangui/mabye some Rufus du Sol etc where there are not a lot of hard transitions and everything sort of blends from one musical phrase into the next. But having manual control of fade.
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Hi @seb ,
Probably an idea for an implementation of manual fade:
Make the tempo multiplier adjustable with shift/ab slider
Make clips assignable to A/B channel and fade with AB slider
After thinking about this feature this could be really valuable to lot of users.
If you think you’d like this functionality - the dj style A/B with a cross fader, I’d suggest to start with the brightness upfaders and invert one of them so when they are both at the top only one clip is playing, and inverted when both faders are at the bottom. See if you like dimming curve it produces while in tandem. I’m guessing the x-fader will produce the same fade style and the next feature suggestion will be up fader and or crossfader curve selection.
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This would be a fun option to play with
and…
I think both from a simplicity of implementation standpoint and a flexibility standpoint, it doesn’t even have to be a dj style A/B fader, I just used that more as an example. I really like your option of creating a separate brightness fader for each group and I think that would ultimately get me closest to what I want.
Your implementation of this works now, and it would work even better if we can get a way to have an “effects deck” so we can have more than 8 effects loaded. I seem to remember chatter about this but not sure how far down the feature request list it is.
Anyway…
onwards & upwards!
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Don’t forget that you can export and import your effects chain. So you’re not as limited as you may think. While I’m not a huge fan of importing while live, mostly because I have my clumsy moments, this is totally doable. Also, every color effect on the bottom is fair game. Im pretty sure most don’t need every color in the rainbow on hand all the time. Setup 3 direct different strobe speeds for example. Throw a trimmer in one and oscillate a parameter. Just because they are not on a fader, they are still incredibly powerful especially when you bake in some oscillation. Also, midi triggers work for effects. You can put as many as you want in a cell and have separate triggers for each. I’m still sorting it out my setup and hope to have a post in the near future explaining.
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